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Sunday, December 27, 2009

Anonymous Letter


Are you aware of an anonymous letter that was sent to the association members, with the exception of those of us who contributed to the support of Lundgren. I am guessing that they eliminated us using the list of those who needed to be reimbursed. They are calling us "Shelley's Group". My neighbor received one, but I did not.

Wednesday, December 16, 2009

Christmas in Hideaway

The valley is a beautiful winter wonderland right now. Any photos of the valley would rival the best of post cards. Temperatures have gotten as low as -31 degrees, but the days are clear and bright with day time temperatures much higher.

If you have been thinking of spending Christmas on your property, this is the perfect time to do it. Bring your snow mobiles and have yourself a white Christmas.

Tuesday, December 1, 2009

HVPOA Newsletter

I found the Newsletter easy to read. The font was large enough I didn't even need my glasses, the topics were well selected, and it was filled with valuable information. This is a Newsletter to save in the family file system.

I love the new meeting schedule. It should make it easier for many of us to attend. It was thoughtful to alternate between Sanpete and Utah Counties. And what a great idea to have the Board Meeting right after the Member's Meeting to reduce the number of trips for those who must travel.

With the election to be held January 23rd, I am sure many of us appreciated the article, "What does "Represented at a meeting mean?" and it was very helpful to have the legal forms necessary to designate a proxy or assign an agent included. With the election set for January 23rd, lets all make sure we take the necessary steps to make sure our vote is counted.

HideawayValley.org is up and running again. Great news! We were even given the User ID and password. Happy Day! When it comes to Property Owner's Associations, "No news is NOT good news." We all need to know first hand what is going on in our Corporation and this official site will give us access to all the Corporate documents and minutes.

Good to see efforts being made to reduce expenses. I like to see the extra fat trimmed off the budget. Our roads need lots of help, I will support reducing expenses so more of our money can be spent where it is needed most. We work hard for our money, our Trustees should wisely use the funds we have entrusted to them. It is nice to see our current Trustees understand the sacred trust we have given them in these tough economic times.

I can not agree more with the last article in the Newsletter. "Transparency is essential in buildng trust between lot owners and a governing board." We must never allow a governing board to limit or take away the right of inspection. Otherwise we are nothing more than slaves to the Corporation. We must live subject to the Covenants which are attached to our land, but we can minimize abuses through the requirement of transparency. As we prepare for the election in January, let us commit to voting for honorable men and women who will stand on principle and who will protect our right to be informed and who will represent OUR best interests.

Great Newsletter!

Sunday, November 29, 2009

Trustee Candidates

We again have the opportunity to become involved in the affairs of the Hideaway Valley Property Owners Association be becoming a candidate for one of three Trustee positions. These candidates will be voted on at an annual meeting of the members January 23, 2010.

Now is the time for those who were critical of or not happy with the way the Trustees who recently resigned conducted our business to step up and take a turn at the wheel. One of the candidates will be elected to serve only until the annual meeting April 17, 2010 and the other two will be elected to serve until the April, 2011 annual meeting.

The HVPOA Newsletter you recently received has all the information you need to submit your declaration of candidacy.

Thursday, November 26, 2009

Why do we still have conflict within HOA communities? « HOA Constitutional Government

George Stropoli has been fighting for homeowner rights for a very long time--here is his blog--I do hope that we are able to stop using our homes and property as collateral here in Hideaway with some type of prohibition in the new covenants! People don't realize that they hock their homes and land when they buy into Hideaway--read George's commentary--it will enlighten you.

Why do we still have conflict within HOA communities? « HOA Constitutional Government: "Such education by CAI educated groups focuses on how to live within the oppressive regulations and covenants of the authoritarian HOA regime. Homeowners are told this is the law, and there is no mention of the injustice and loss of rights resulting from living in an HOA. This form of “education” reminds me of the mandatory totalitarian indoctrination classes designed to influence the mindset of the masses, and especially of the children.

For example, homeowners are not told that they have unknowingly pledged their homes as collateral in order for the undemocratic, authoritarian HOA regime to survive. Just stop paying your assessments, or try to put them in a trust fund while waiting to resolve a dispute with the HOA, and see what happens."

Wednesday, November 25, 2009

Happy Thanksgiving

Here is wishing everyone a happy Thanksgiving. May you all connect to your nearest and dearest family and friends. May there be a turkey in every pot, and stuffing to fill your bellies. May your homes ring with warm conversations and much laughter. May we all reflect on the things most important in our lives. May we reach out to those who need us. And most of all, may we give thanks to the God of Heaven from which all blessings flow.

Monday, November 16, 2009

let Go and let God

Is God in charge? Read this story and see what you think:

The only survivor of a shipwreck was washed up on a small, uninhabited island.He prayed feverishly for God to rescue him. Every day he scanned the horizon for help, but none seemed forthcoming.

Exhausted, he eventually managed to build a little hut out of driftwood to protect himself from the elements, and to store his few possessions. One day, after scavenging for food, he arrived home to find his little hut in flames, with smoke rolling up to the sky. He felt the worst had happened, and everything was lost. He was stunned with disbelief, grief, and anger. He cried out, 'God! How could you do this to me?'

Early the next day, he was awakened by the sound of a ship approaching the island! It had come to rescue him! 'How did you know I was here?' asked the weary man of his rescuers. 'We saw your smoke signal,' they replied.

The Moral of This Story:
It's easy to get discouraged when things are going bad, but we shouldn't lose heart, because God is at work in our lives, even in the midst of our pain and suffering. Remember that the next time your little hut seems to be burning to the ground. It just may be a smoke signal that summons the Grace of God.

P.S. You may want to consider passing this on, because you never know who feels as if their hut is on fire today.

Thursday, November 12, 2009

You are all my Heros

You have to read how Vivian explains how much she loves this valley--thank you so much for moving here!

No more Blame Game!

~It is my hope that we will all try to heal our community by looking at ourselves, and not pointing out fault in our neighbors. I know the past two years have been difficult for all our board members. I do appreciate their hard work and effort to benefit our valley. It is unfortunate that our board had problems functioning as a board should right from the beginning. Disagreements quickly turned into fights. Personal issues between board members soon became association business, and this simply should not have happened. I wish things would have had a positive outcome. I wish all board members would have found a way to work together as a whole, setting all personal matters aside to focus on what mattered most. I feel it is a shame that some board members feel they have been accused of stealing association funds from the members. I for one have never heard anyone accuse any board member of doing this. I am sorry they feel that way. This is the very reason I feel it is important to have complete transparency. I think a monthly budget report would be a great way for members to visually see where and how their money is being used. I hope we will not play the blame game, and we will all desire to to see the good in one another. The truth is we could go on and on about who did what, why, and how? But there is nothing we can do to change the past. I think the only good that can come from this situation is if we are willing to learn from it. One of the reasons I would like to see our documents reviewed before they are renewed this next year is to possibly add some protections for future volunteers, as well as protect private property rights. I would like to explore the idea of creating a procedure to resolve any disputes among board members, and if needed have it taken to the members for a vote on the issue. I look at it this way, if we are all required to be a part of this corporation, shouldn't we all be working together to simplify the way it functions? We should all have the right to be informed, involved, and included in the decisions that affect our properties. I hope all members will help do this. We are all facing challenges in our own lives, and in the world around us. Lets pull together and focus on the basic needs of our community. It is still my opinion that “ Neighbors should not govern Neighbors.” It is my hope that we will not look upon our community as a business, but as a neighborhood. I think hideaway is still a beautiful place to live or use for family recreation. My family moved here because it was not the city. I hope we never see curbs and gutters, or homes in uniform color. I feel we can make things better for everyone by encouraging and helping one another as friends. There is still a lot of good that we can accomplish. Every property owner should have the right to feel equally welcome and invited to enjoy the peace and beauty that surrounds us here. ~Becky Peterson~

Tuesday, November 10, 2009


Three Trustees resigned and a New Trustee was appointed last night at the Board Meeting. This was a total surprise to me. However, many in the room seem to take the news in stride. Almost as if the news was common knowledge prior to the event. A large number of Members were present and showed remarkable restraint during what proved to be an emotional changing of the guard.

Please read Vivian's full recap of the meeting on the Member to Member site. Click Here

Monday, November 9, 2009


CALL TREE, what a wonderful idea. I support anything that gets Members to the Board Meetings. Lets all show up to tonight's Board Meeting and support the Board of Trustees in proper Association governance.

Unfortunately, I did not receive a call which makes me sad. What if it was an emergency? I would not have been informed. I would hate for anyone to be missed.

To insure that does not happen in the future, I think we should create a Member's Contact Directory and formally assign Captains responsible to call 5 or 10 property owners in the event the Call Tree is activated.

A Call Tree could be used for emergencies or for dissemination of information, i.e., evacuations or meetings to be held on short notice. The Board has said releasing phone numbers infringes on our confidentiality. Personally, If there was a wild fire you can call me anytime. But how do you feel about the idea?

HOA financials

Thanks for the responds, I will get a document ready this week for the next meeting, what would me and wife like to see happen? Well, first, I would like for the board member who don’t follow the Law to leave the board. And I have been looked over the document for the HOA Financial (Since I am a bookkeeper and working for accounting Audit my whole life); there is really not much Detail where the HOA spend our land owner’s money. I am not saying the book is dirty, I am only hoping for all landowner to gain more visibility for the HOA Financials. I have talked with Roy walker with road project on the mountain Hollow drive project, what I understand is he does agreed that road is bad, but there is no money on the yearly base for any road project (That does not sounds like a good Budget planning ),So the question comes : where the money is goes on what project? Is that the money spend on the benefit most land owners or just small group of people? Is that legal for where the money spends on? I do believe HOA Treasure should have the answer for my questions in detail. Visibility on the project and Financial will help all land owners to understand the money we pay goes to what we need (Road EST….) but small group wants (Attorney Fee EST.….). I apologize for anyone who might offend by my comment. Thanks again for Hideaway Member to Member who allows us to posting comment, thank you. Qi Zong

Sunday, November 8, 2009

Vivan, you are my hero

Vivian, You are my hero. Your comments on this site are absolutely wonderful. I thank God that you are a property owner in Hideaway Valley and you are involved. Good Job. Keep it up.
Louise Lot C233

Saturday, November 7, 2009

Is it time for the season to change?

I've been to a few meetings and would like to invite all owners to get active, or sell your property because Hide-a-way is going to be park city south with expensive assessments and angry neighbors.


It has been very interesting to read comments from other owners like Louise and
Terry. I appreciate their getting involved.

As the seasons change so should the board.

I'm not sure Rick really thought about his answer to Vivian, if it was his wife working to make a difference would he tolerate that kind of behavior toward his wife or family. If so am I or my family safe to be in Hide-a-way Valley.

Is Monday a good day for the board meeting?

Some members have pointed out that Monday is considered family night for most Mormons. Some feel it is almost as intrusive to have a meeting on Monday as it is on Sunday.

In order to get the mailer out in time for a Nov 21 members meeting, it had to be done almost on an emergency basis. If we had had the meeting as scheduled for Tue, this would not be the case. Since the board missed last week, this had to be done soon and Monday was it!

Another member suggested that it be considered a family thing to learn how our Hideaway government runs. They said, "Bring the kids." That would be a great idea for a family educational experience EXCEPT that our board is not functioning well right now and would not be a good example.

AGAIN--as many reasonable sober people as can, please show up. WE can observe and suggest how to function properly. We can bring our documents and our references and help them look up sections of the by-laws that apply to us. Lets be part of the solution, not the problem...See you Monday at the senior center!

Friday, November 6, 2009

Homeowners Associations: Boss Thy Neighbor

Homeowners Associations: Boss Thy Neighbor: "“Boards are still in denial that they can’t do whatever they want to do,” says Schneider"

You might want to read this article. It explains what is going on here---yeah, it does!

Tuesday, November 3, 2009

It's Time for Another Change in our Board

Perrylee and I enjoyed a light meal and some interesting conversation with two members of our Board of Trustees and 6 other Hideaway Valley owners/members at what was announced as a Board of Trustees meeting in Spanish Fork Tuesday evening. It seems that a majority of the Board suddenly developed conflicts and could not attend after one of our member couples requested that an item be placed on the agenda for an upcoming meeting of the members which was to be scheduled for Nov. 21. One of those three had indicated earlier in the day that he would attend but called the Secretary 20 minutes before the meeting was to start to tell him that he would not be at the meeting.

The agenda for the meeting was to prepare a notice of a Meeting of the Members including an agenda which was to include at least Voting on the proposed Collections Resolution which had been approved by the Board. Since this was to be a Meeting of the Members, it seemed appropriate that issues presented by members should be included on that agenda.

There is something wrong with this picture. We do not know whether the three absent board members really had conflicts or if they did not want to address the agenda item requested, or if they did not want to schedule the meeting of the members at which the Collections Resolution was to be voted on or if they just do not want members to be involved with the decisions being made on their behalf by this board majority.

I inquired about the status of the financial audit of the Association's revenues and expenditures for 2008-09 which was budgeted for and neither Board Member at this discussion knew anything about it. Many of us are concerned about the way our funds are being used and want the audit to verify for us that all is in order.

Further we have been told that a financial report has been available at each Trustees Meeting and one need only ask for it. We have also been told by some members that they have asked for financial reports but have yet to see one from this Board. The two Board Members at our discussion said they have not seen one either.

In response to my question I learned that the collections process in the resolution we still must vote on has already begun. I hope those owners who have already received notices of delinquency in accord with the Resolution will not be confused when they finally get a meeting notice to come and vote on the approval of the process which has already begun.

There is no indication when the next Trustees meeting will be. All the regular third Wednesday meetings have been cancelled and we were told that the Board approved a process of scheduling Board Meetings with a 5 day posted notice. I guess any three Board Members can schedule a meeting. There was no indication how this will work in practice. In any event there should be no collection actions until the members have an opportunity to vote on that Resolution and the meeting to vote on it cannot be scheduled until the Board has a Trustees meeting to set it up. By not showing up tonight the majority of 3 decided to postpone the Members Meeting.

With all this going on it is my position that this Board is disfunctional and that we need new Trustees who will conduct business in accord with our governing documents. We will have the opportunity to elect two new trustees in April or we could submit a petition to hold an election earlier to recall some of them earlier. The two positions up next year will be the seats held by Roy Walker and Clifford Johnson. If anyone has an opinion about how we should proceed, please post it on this blog.

I have served on Hideaway Valley's Board of Trustees twice. The first time was for two terms and the second was for a short term of two years. The second time was to replace a Board whose members made some major decisions and initiated legal action without consulting with the membership. We were able to turn this around and stop the large expenditures for attorney fees.

I have no interest in being a candidate again but am willing to "coach" anyone who is willing to volunteer as a Trustee and would assist in the conduct of meetings to facilitate appropriate participation of our members in our decision making processes.

Terry Holzworth

Sunday, October 25, 2009

Boards Operating Correctly-Road Issues

Letter requesting a road issue to go before board
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Elmer Qi wrote:

Hello there, this is Zong Han Qi and Cathy Qi, the owner of Lot 490; the reason I am writing this letter is get a request for HOA to do road matinee on Mountain Hollow Drive in front of Lot E-490. From what it looks like the road in front of E-lot 490 has been damaged for a long time and filled with big Rocks. And right now the only safe way to get into my property is by 4-wheeler or Dirt Bike. And I have driven through the entire valley; this portion of the road is one of the worst. Please let me know if HOA will consider my request, thank you so much for all you help.

Letter sent to board becasue we could not present this to them:
Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 10:35:37 AM
Subject: Fwd: Road In front of E Lot -490

Dear Tom (Secretary) and board members,

Thank you for a particularly well-run board meeting.

Below is an email from a member. Diana was going to present it to the board at open forum for members, but becasue of the fast shut down after Cliff spoke up with no open forum offered, she was not able to present it. Please put it on the agenda for the next board meeting.

Thank you.

Response to request to put Qi's letter on next agenda.
Hi Diana,
Sorry you did not get to present the e-mail you had at the meeting. It would have been nice if you would have given us a heads up. We could have looked at the problem and addressed it.
I drove my pickup in 2 wheel drive up to lot E 490, yesterday. The lot right next to it (E 491), had two big camp trailers set up on it. If lot E491 owners could get to their lot with camp trailers I have a hard time believing the owners of lot E490 could only get to their lot with 4 wheelers and dirt bikes.
While I realize the road "Mountain Hollow Drive" needs work, there are a lot of roads that need work. We have limited funds. As soon as we can, I will try to get it taken care of. I myself, would like to make sure everyone in Hideaway Valley has a descent road, and can get to their property. That's what "road maintenance" should mean and everyone pays the same. The road maintenance has been little to none in the last few years and most everyone knows why, but we will not go into that. Our roads are in terrible shape and will take years at the rate we are financially able to repair them.


My response to Roy
Hi Roy,
Thank you for your quick response to this road issue and for writng such an informative letter.

Just a few issues in your letter that I want to comment on. I honestly believe that I am not responsible to give the board a "heads up" on issues that need to to be presented during the "members forum" at the end of a normal board meeting. This is not a members responsibility but the chairperson who is conducting the meeting. I waiting after the meeting to give this to you but all the board members were busy talking to someone and didn't want to interrupt, after 10 minutes I left.

Your response to Qi sounds like a slap in the face, definitely all our roads need to be worked on but if he is not comfortable going on his road with only a four wheel drive he shouldn't be criticized. We don't know how the other lot owner got his trailers on his lot and shouldn't compare him to Mr. Qi.

Wasn't his road one of the ones that board said they were going to work on this year and instead worked on that road up by your place?

However, it is great that your have been allowing us to have open conversations with you on these issues.

Thank you for your interest in Mr. Qi's email.


Tuesday, October 20, 2009

Board Member Mania - What's Up?

Seems like many other boards face what we do. Read about this board in California--sound like us?
It seems lately that Board members are tripping over themselves all over the place these days - I get so many calls from board members that need help because the Directors are fighting with each other or the hired help or the members. Sometimes a Board member is harassing employees, staff or owners. Sometimes they are threatening each other. Sometimes one or more is taking information from executive session meetings and attorney-client privileged information to the owners because they can't get the board to agree to what they want. Sometimes a Director comes to a board meeting drunk and obnoxious. Wow, seems Board mania is a contagious disease. What's up?
and he discusses solutions:
From my view (of course taking into consideration that most of what I see are the problems Associations face) the position of serving as a Board Member in an HOA is getting ever increasingly complicated for many reasons including complicated laws, threats of lawsuits, shortage of money for the budget, discovery of serious problems, trying to conduct business in the face of insulting or difficult board members or insulting or difficult owners, and sometimes because of excessive meetings and time requirements when something big is happening. It seems to me that every year, the fights get more serious, the job of each Director gets harder and the pool of volunteers willing to serve is shrinking. The stress encountered in the thankless "job" wears good board members down and the burn out rate is high.

From our last meeting, we can see that some improvements have come our way--Show up and participate--the more reasonable members who show up, the better. Join us--and share what you see

Friday, October 16, 2009

Rita Walker talks to Members

I am writing this letter because of the lies that have written about Roy Walker and myself. No one knows the countless hours that Roy has spent working to make Hideaway Valley a better place for every lot owner.

Here are some of the lies and the truth:

1. Lie: Roy had the asphalt road torn up between Tee Pee Ranch and the Pavilion on his own.
1. Truth: Roy has hand written notes of the Board Meeting dated 8/18/08, written by Kristin Hatch, stating that Tom Crisp will tear up that section of the road. Roy took the blame because the minutes had not been written yet. The minutes that were wrote and posted on the web are not correct and are not signed.

2. Lie: Roy took over the books from Carpenter and would not let the treasurer do her job.
2. Truth: Kristin took Carpenter's books to the bookkeeper and left them with her. The vice-president and treasurer were out of town on business trips and were unable to do their jobs. Connie, the bookkeeper called Roy for help on the mess Carpenter had on his statements. She could not get in touch with Kristin so Roy stepped in and worked with the bookkeeper to get the assessments statements correct.

3. Lie: Some peoples 18% interest and late fees from Carpenter's charge were dropped and others were not.
3. Truth: All 18% interest and late fees that Carpenter charged were dropped off all accounts. Roy has the proof of this in black and white.

4. Lie: In the first few months of 2009 there was mention of fraud about the money collected.
4. Truth: Every bit of cash and checks that has been paid, is documented in three different places, the bank, bookkeeper and the books Roy has recorded them in.

5. Lie: Roy only needs a company answering phone line, instead of a full service line.
5. Truth: Roy gets calls from members any time from 7:00am to 10:30pm any day of the week from members wanting some information. He has tried to answer any questions they ask him. If he doesn't have an answer at the time of the call, he will get the information and call them back. He has never refused any call or refused to help anyone who needs help.

6. Lie: Collection Resolution for past due accounts not voted on.
6. Truth: In the July 15 2009 Board Meeting, the agenda idem was to review and approve the collection resolution. A motion was made and seconded to approve and adopt the collection resolution as revised and to send a copy of the resolution to the members of the association. Mr. Walker, Mr. Taufer, Me LaFavre and Mr. Johnson voted in the affirmative. Mr Widdop was not called for a vote. The motion carried. Ever member was sent a copy of the Collection Resolution and a sample of a demand letter for payment of unpaid dues.

7. Lie: People will be put out of their homes because of foreclosure.
7. Truth; There are less than ten people that live in Hideaway Valley that are behind on their dues. Foreclosure is the very last thing that could happen.

Why is it alright for some people to not follow the By-laws and Protective Convent, yet some board members have to follow them to a tee? The board of trustees are not lawyers, so they rely on a law firm to give them legal advice. The law firm wrote the Collection Resolution, so we feel the law firm knows the laws. They have read our governing documents.

There has also been comments about me that I would like to clear up. There was a letter faxed to me, on my personal fax machine and my personal phone wanting every HVPOA member to have a copy of the letter they wrote about how unhappy they were with a trustee who trespassed and cut a road through their lot. This letter was not sent to the Board of Trustees.

Shelly Marshall said I wasn't a voting member and I shouldn't be involved. I own my property right long with Roy. My name is registered at the county as part owner of Plate D Lot 409 since 1986. I know we only have one vote between us, but if for any reason Roy doesn't choose to vote by a mail-in ballot or at a members meeting, then I still have a right to vote. Just because I'm married to a trustee doesn't mean I can't have a voice along with ever other member. It is hard for spouses of board members not to be involved because of all the calls coming to their homes along with the e-mails and propaganda on their computers and telephones.

There has been some miss conceptions about the association records being at our home. The only so called records we have are the two statement books from Carpenter & Associates, copies for house plans and copies of all incoming cash and checks and the check book. The financial records are kept with the bookkeeper. Roy does get a monthly and quarterly statement from her. Roy has taken these statements to the board meetings, but no one has asked about them, not even the trustees. Each board trustee should take it upon themselves to have a copy of the governing documents, board meeting minutes and financial report.

All the old records of the association are stored at a storage unit in Mt. Pleasent. I would not want to find a storage place in my home for years and years of old association records.

We have members that complain about the assessments being to high. If the association had an office off site and a person to oversee it, what do you think the cost would be?

Remember that your trustees are not getting paid any wages for their services. They volunteer their time and money to try and make this a better place for every lot owner. There is so much to be done and so little time to do it in, they sometimes make mistakes.

Why don't we all look a little harder at the good being done by the board instead of being so quick to find fault with the board members.


Thank you for reading this. Rita Walker

Saturday, October 10, 2009

Associationsand living with the rules

There are always two sides to every story. The story below is a great example (click through to the story and read the comments from members--great stuff!) The board feels they are being unjustly accused and unfairly treated, the members feel they are not being heard and kept in the decision-making loop. We have a lot of these same issues here at Hideaway. For members on this site--we believe in free expression of all members, that is why we do not "censor" opinions. We censor disrespect, facts that are found to be not true, and general hate stuff--but to bring up questions, observe and report on meetings--this is freedom of expression and it is not our desire to shut voices down--not the board and not the members.

Lets make a few things clear about this site:
We believe the trustees (all of them) want to make a difference here, a positive difference.
None of us believe any trustee is stealing or has ever stole money from us.
No one believes funds are being misappropriated

On the other hand, proper procedure is not being followed like it should be.
Board members don't respect each other. And if they don't respect the person, they should respect the office.
Personal feelings should not affect doing corporate business according to state statute.

Read the story and comments below and you will see what we have at Hideaway is not unique.--then write what you think would be a solution to the perceived differences.

Associations have no room for board member bullies - Condos and HOAs – Living with rules: "I serve on a board, I know how difficult and time-consuming it is to volunteer to help the association run daily operations and annual budgets. And I know how, rather than thank yous, board members are too often treated to threats, criticism and false accusations. But hey, it comes with the territory.

On the other hand, ..."

Tuesday, October 6, 2009

about the Canceled Meeting.

OK--this post originally spoke about the canceled meeting at the senior center. The regularly scheduled meeting of the board was canceled and then the next meeting of the board was moved from Tuesday to Wednesday 'becasue of scheduling conflicts with the Senior center.' A member called up Elaine at the Senior center and swore there was no conflicting schedule. Another member called Fairview City to see if they had something scheduled. Another member called Elaine again and she assured the member there was no conflict and never had been. Shelly Marshall went to the senior center just in case anyone accidentally showed up--it happened. A member from Sandy drove all the way here to attend.

The member who called Elaine, posted their frustration on this blog. The facts had been checked with the senior center and allowed to be blogged about. This site allows members to post their frustration as long as the facts check out. However, the users of this site made one huge mistake. They checked their facts with the senior center but not with the president. WE HAVE GOT TO START TRUSTING EACH OTHER. Jim Taufer said if we have a question bring it to him. Let's start doing that--then if a blogger has a different opinion, discuss it here or if they like the board's response, bring it here. But be open with the board first and then exchange ideas here--that's the way it should work.

Elaine (vice president of the senior center board) apologized to the board and to the members, via this site. We apologize to the board for not calling them!!! Let's hope we (board and bloggers) don't make these types of mistakes in the future (but with our history, we probably will--we hope it will be shorter and shorter-)

Tuesday, September 29, 2009

COMMON GROUND -- Critical Mass

You have to love these people--so many of them fighting for homeowner rights--many were on boards and became disillusioned--go read the site and see how many peole just want board to work within the rules! here is an excerpt from a long article worth reading

COMMON GROUND -- Critical Mass: "CHORE's Pat Haruff also served on her board—her three-year term only just ended in January—but she actually founded her group three years before seeking election. Why? 'I had a problem with my HOA [in Mesa, Arizona],' she says, blunt and self-deprecating during a 90-minute interview. 'The same old stuff—lack of communication, the secretiveness of the board, the meetings they would not announce, the records when you would ask for something very basic and simple that they would not give you.' The problems didn't stop once she got elected. In February 2003, the month after she was seated on the board, she says, her fellow board members tried to get rid of her because her service as CHORE's president created a conflict of interest. Eventually there were lawsuits, Haruff says, and she won everything—even attorney's fees—and remained on the board."

Friday, August 28, 2009

”Except to Move, Sue or Stay & Pray what can they do?"

 Here is a great blog about not blaming the homeowner for not getting involved. We bought a piece of recreational property--NOT bought into a political activist group!!! but since we bought in, if we don't participate--the few will rule the roost and charge you for their personal preferences--read this blog--its eyeopening!

Sure, if the homeowners were all alert and become homeowner activists, things could be different... But remember, they bought a HOME, not an enterprise for political activism. Most people just want to live their lives quietly and peacefully and you can't blame them for not rising up. Remember also that many live in constant fear. Even those of us who have chosen to rise up against the evils of the HOA don't get actively involved in most other political struggles.
Blaming the homeowners in their plight is equivalent to accusing a woman that was raped for not being careful or not fighting back. Indeed, she might have saved herself had she been more cautious and aggressive, but she is not the criminal, the rapist is!”

As the discussion progressed, it was pointed out that this was the infamous HOA where Mr. Glassel made front page news for taking a shotgun to the meeting & shooting 3 members of the board. I thought, wouldn’t these homeowners be even more scared to attend the meetings? Wouldn’t they be less likely to be involved? So with this in mind, I ventured to ask…
Read the whole article by licking here

Wednesday, August 26, 2009

New Contributer

I am contributing to this blog because I am not a happy lot owner in Hideaway Valley. It amazes me what this current board is doing to our valley. I hope we can do something to stop the current board from all the crap they are getting away with...

Wednesday, August 19, 2009

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This is an interesting article. It seems our board thinks it's OK to violate the by-laws and the Utah Code. I don't get it--what is so hard about following the rules you fought for in the first place?

So, what rules and law are being broken?

1. Duly noticed meetings. Only one board meeting has been noticed on the web site since March 27. Why? Do only the full-time residents deserve notice to meetings? Call the president Jim Taufer and ask him why--his number is on the original web site (which is still there and ready to use but apparently abandoned by someone without a board vote and in violation of our By law 3.7. Roy Walker did have the courtesy to answer an email that the meetings are the third Wednesday's at 6 at the senior center in Fairview--he let us know that noticing the members via the web is up in the air. Tom LeFevre did return a call to state the meeting was this Wednesday.) The tradegy is why members must dance jigs to get information that is rightfully theirs.

2. A collections resolution was signed by two board members--a resolution that should go before the members for a vote in order to comply with the new by-laws we just passed. No one can show us the minutes from a board meeting where this resolution was formally adopted.

3. Communications are sent to the members that have not been presented at a duly noticed board meeting and voted on.

4. Records that are required by law to be given to the members are being denied with no reason given-in fact no communication of any sort. Just denied.

5. The financial records that by LAW have to be sent out 15 days after requested are not being given the members. The board actually will have to pay for attorneys fees, the law mandates this, if a member decides to take it to court and a judge has to enforce compliance with the law--it will cost us all money to force the board to follow the law.

6. They allocated money in the budget for road maintenance and presented a map to the members of the work they intended to do. We voted for it. Now they are doing different work, nice but improvements--not maintenance and not what they said, and it hasn't been voted on in a board meeting. If it is not voted on in a broad meeting, it is not a board action. Since our board is supposed to be running the association, and they are not--who is running Hideaway? Its not the members and its not the board.

7. No one can give us the minutes with the motions and votes to run the association. Who is running the association?

Frankly, I don't think anything sinister is going on--I really don't. I just think it is a personality conflict(s) and that the trustees don't know how to put principles before personalities (some trustees)--Just do what's right according to our documents and not what you think is right when you get a whim about something. Follow the rules. It truly is easy and stop 99% of the contention. I promise.

What do you think? Aren't you happy we elected a board who just simply won't follow the rules? But wait...maybe its not the whole board. We don't know becasue we aren't being invited to the meetings, we can't get the minutes to the meetings, we can't the financial records...


Tuesday, August 18, 2009

Collections Resolution

Can anyone tell me when the Board of Trustees voted to approve the resolution we recently received that has so many errors in it? I try to keep up with these matters but find it very difficult to get accurate information from any source. Terry Holzworth

Issues may arise if a Board violates its own governing documents---it looks like our board is having trouble with this...